Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. It may not display this or other websites correctly. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. The Hodgdon site gives loads for bullets from 110 gr. If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16" .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today's watered-down .357 factory loads. That stands for International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association. First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! GunBroker.com Forums. I have been wanting one for years now and always seem to miss the boat as they sell out quickly. Features a rugged, stainless steel bolt with 90 bolt throw and rapid lock time for added accuracy. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. Reloading is a good alternative if you can get the supplies, but from what I read things like primers are becoming harder to find as well. Looking for 170-190gr bullet loads and a plinking load for a hard cast GC/cheep jacketed bullet. Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. Admittingly I was single then but it was relaxing! It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Is taught at the Range! 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 Loads for .357 Maximum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.) I had a 30.30 then I decided to upgrade to a Max. First, I was a guy who dropped the idea, except for a special-purpose handload. I have a 94 Trapper in 357 Magnum that I rechambered to 357 Maximum. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. Based on the Encore being ok for the 270, up to 65,000 psi is Ok. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. Since the rules have changed again effective this fall I have came up with another case based on the 444 marlin necked to .375 at 1.8 inches long. For instance, My 45-90, when I reload the 45/90 case, I only load to mid range 45/70 specs and use toilet paper to make up the case space. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. Every time TTAG runs a lever gun article I want one. IMR 4227 for .357 Magnum | The Firearms Forum Im sure even more now. The more the merrier. Good thought though. I would not mind adding a budget minded lever gun to my lot, something as accurate as my buddys. )(2009 Note: Some of these loads are from 1996 and in the passing years the powder companies have reduced their maximum loads particularly ones that have been around a long time like Unique. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post It was almost daylight and I kept hearing something move around. Threaded barrel. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. Its so ugly I love it. Custom craftsmanship applied to streamlined CNC manufacturing processes. I never got to shoot either. Barrel shoots Hornady 180 grain XTPs very well. I think it helps ballistic uniformity in this long, skinny case and slow propellants. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. I bought a brandified new Ruger .357 revolver just as this lockdown crap started. 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With the added velocity and muzzle energy, along with the fact that JHP rounds are easily available from any gun store, whereas frangible or JHP rounds for an AR-pattern rifle are harder to source, it makes one of the best home defense long guns possible. It came back looking like new. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . The most Fun guns I own. I use handguns for everyday carry. KBCraig, have you tried buying primers recently? Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. H110. The 125-grain loads have not quite as much muzzle energy as NATO's standard infantry rifle round, the 5.56x45mm. Less than 100 days away now. I have one with the turnstile safety. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? The 357 max is all that plus a bit of more power available. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. Its fine. The amount of money, time and effort and the increased lever throw places a 357 Maximum lever gun so far down my list that it will never happen for me. The .357 Remington Maximum is the .357 Magnum revolver round lengthened .315 inch, and was basically developed by the hyper-competitive Elgin Gates, who among other things raced powerboats and obsessively hunted trophy-book big game around the world. With nice wood I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. You are using an out of date browser. Not everything has to be tactically sound. Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. They were hell bent on making me reload. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. Both have threaded barrels to make them more relative and modern. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .357 Maximum .357 Maximum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #1 Lyman #1 RCBS #6 Recipe Type: Pistol Bullet Weight: ALL 100 gr 110 gr 125 gr 140 gr 158 gr 165 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr Powder: ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Hodgdon CFE BLK Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon Lil'Gun I would add Chiappa Alaskan in .357 Magnum to the mix. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. 357 Maximum, Everything You Need to Know! MGM Barrels TC - YouTube Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. The Alaskan combines tradition wit NO Credit Card Fees Like the Other Guys!! Henry offers their stunningly beautiful rifles, all American-made, for substantially less than a Marlin price tag. Joe Grine and I spent a day testing it agains the venerable .30-30, and the results astounded us. Thompson Center Contender Stainless Steel MGM 357 Maximum 12 Barrel (1:14). Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. In May I went to Utah and took my brother, his son, and a handful of their friends out shooting. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. Lack of inventory isnt relevance in modern times. Theyre also legal everywhere, even states with the most draconian gun control. With 125 gr. Low dollar lever gun joy is in your future. I saw your reference to benighted states and then AR, AK. At least you should expect the kind of quality youd get from a Remington bolt gun in the price range. Take a lever action over an AR every day. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. Bare essentials. One of the best, if not, the best little caliber you would ever want ! for a velocity of around 1836 fps. .44-40. It was too intense and very finicky. Yup. Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. Christmas is coming. .357 out of a 20 Henry Big Boy Steel rivals the muzzle energy of a .223 out of an 18 inch. So it partly the pandemic, and partly the Presidential election, and then the riots in major cities across the USA. And .45-70 would be awesome, too. If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. Jim Rhodes Greenville, Al. Was a great gun.I wish someone should resurrect it. Here are the features to watch out for. No box or papers. May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. I enjoyed your article. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. Bingo. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. Not all of us have the ability for various reasons to reload.