More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. Reset Password Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. Since clubs are bent with iron bars by applying pressure on. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Strengthening adds offset, the sole of the club is effectively moved back, the hosel is fixed, therefore the leading edge of the sole moves away from the ball, adding offset. But there is a lot more to it than that. Restore formatting, To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Will I be digging too much? Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. (I ran into this today.) Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. I will only add that I don't see what the benefit would be to strengthening loft. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? All Rights Reserved. Taylor Made tour issue M2 T3 Ozik Matrix 8M3 X In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. As you watch PGA or LPGA golf, you will see very little personalization to this basic fundamental. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. I am in favor of weaker lofts. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. All rights reserved. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. This puts a 5 iron at 60* and that is way too flat for most people. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. Changing the lie angle of a club can help golfers more consistently hit shots off of the center of the clubface. Titleist Vokey 47* Oban CT 125, 51*, 55*, and 59* Shimada Tour Wedge Black I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. That means judging any of this due to the club head alone and isolated makes no sense, we have to include the player and his delivery of the head since thats what matters for if we can / should go weaker or stronger or leave it as it is. 759 Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex, Wilson D7 forged 5-GW- Mamiya recoil 460 R flex, Titleist Pro VIxoptic yellow with revkev stamped on them. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Your email address will not be published. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. If jacking with strong lofting one you need to have a good fitter/ instructor work with you on your model suggestion and what will fit your swing. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125 A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. That is a two club difference. On a driver? Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. JavaScript is disabled. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). If the customer cant get the 4 iron in the air, pull that too and give them a hybrid that will get in the air. It flies lower and that is about it. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? If you can get it in the air, no problem. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. I can't say that they have kicked my 716 ap2 out for good, but for now the 716 cb are staying in the bag! Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? More photos from the event here. Thanks for everybody for your help! The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. GolfWRX_Official Great article. Thats why I custom order iron sets with lofts that are 1-to-2 degrees weaker than standard about 40 percent of the time. Chamblee takes on Tiger: Brandel, meet Bayless, Tweets of the week: Lizards, grammar police, bad greens, worse sunglasses. With your height you obviously need to be fit properly. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? ProV1x-mostly. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Your email address will not be published. The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. Display as a link instead, Would bending it serve the same result? And here is why. Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. Sitemap. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck I changed my Apex pro 19 2 degrees strong. You can post now and register later. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Required fields are marked *. The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. Golfers who know this information will have a much easier time controlling their ball flight, hitting the center of the clubface more consistently. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not. Display as a link instead, Bounce means nothing. Thank you for such an eye opening article. More photos from the event here. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. Good info to pass along regarding COG. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer.